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lyra_song · Jan 17, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by slowerpoke

Balance Ursan?
"While active, primary attribute set to 0"

All previous enchantments, shouts, stances, etc should end when you activate.

Disable zealous weapon mods. Armor, energy and health should be leveled out as well.

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Off topic.

oh, just tossing this in, not meant to agitate or anything.

I found this great pic that i had to lolcat. even if you dont like ursan, its a funny pic.

stretchs · Jan 17, 2008, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Awesome pic.

The Legg · Jan 17, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

indeed this thread is going down the tube, seriously ursan is a PVE skill and as such needs no balancing at all. It is your choiuce whether or not to use it.
At the moment it lets many people with undesirable classes participate in high end pve and as such should be left alone.

You dont like it, dont use it.

Horus · Jan 17, 2008, 03:33 PM // 15:33

didnt they mention some new wep skins in game? from that design-a-wep contest... think i saw somewhere they'll add em in game in January... tho not 10% sure

Racthoh · Jan 17, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by The Legg

indeed this thread is going down the tube, seriously ursan is a PVE skill and as such needs no balancing at all. It is your choiuce whether or not to use it.
At the moment it lets many people with undesirable classes participate in high end pve and as such should be left alone.

You dont like it, dont use it.

There's Nothing To Fear!
Seed of Life

PvE skills have been toned down and buffed in the past there is no reason why they should be exempt from any sort of balance now.

lyra_song · Jan 17, 2008, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by The Legg

indeed this thread is going down the tube, seriously ursan is a PVE skill and as such needs no balancing at all. It is your choiuce whether or not to use it.
At the moment it lets many people with undesirable classes participate in high end pve and as such should be left alone.

You dont like it, dont use it.

There goes the "if you dont like it, dont use it" argument again.

Look..Ursan is overpowered. We all know that. All the PvE skills are. I can accept that PvE skills are more powerful than normal.

Ursan goes beyond overpowered into an exploit. Lets look at some Ursan exploitations.

Ursan has a fixed -2 degen: This means zealous mods activate without negative effects.
Ursan doesnt remove pre-existing stances/shouts. You can have infinite Mending Refrain.
Ursan relies on maintaining energy but it doesnt remove primary attribute effects. Paragons and Dervishes benefit heavily while being Ursan through the shouts, and enchants from monks.

A balanced Ursan should make ANY class have the same energy pool, armor, default regen, remove all existing echants/shouts/blessings and disable affects of weapons.

Look at how Dragon Arena for a BALANCED implementation of an "equalizer".

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Spirit_of_the_Festival

edit: enchants are removed. i forgot (i am posting from work so i cant check ;p)

Bryant Again · Jan 17, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by The Legg

You dont like it, dont use it.

But how far are you willing to accept that? If there was an insta-kill skill or a godmode option in the menu, would you still be saying the same thing?

stretchs · Jan 17, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Actually the blessing removes ALL current enchants on you, please have those facts correct, chants and the such do remain.

I think a fix like stated earlier, remove all prior effects on you, that includes forms, weap spells, shouts, etc. Remove the bonuses gained by necros, dervishes and the sort, as well if someone uses zealous mods they should get the extra -pip. But the overall aspects I could see being left alone. If you remove some of the exploitable things that it wouldnt be quite as hatemongered

sterbenx2 · Jan 17, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

OK. Anybody that has said leave Ursan alone because unwanted classes now get a chance to play. It's a stupid statement with no thought, do not repeat it.

Think, if you can, for one second. WHY would, lets say mesmer, who wants to be in more parties AS A MESMER, want to use Ursan WHICH IS NOT MESMER just to play in areas he/she wants to play AS A MESMER????????

Ursan is a broken, failure, dumb skill that only leads to abuse and more general elitism. "do you have at least rank8 Ursan?" NO! >KICK< oooh yea Ursan is a great idea. I want them to nerf it so bad that when you activate it, yer instakilled. Give the so-called unwanted classes a chance and let them play. You'd probably be surprised. Some of the best PUGs I've ever played with had Mez and Paras. I've even played with some really kiler Sins.. so Ursan DIE!

There are just as many suck noob monks in this game as there are suck noob sins, but people tollerate it because its a monk.. BAH!

upier · Jan 17, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

All previous enchantments, shouts, stances, etc should end when you activate.

Disable zealous weapon mods. Armor, energy and health should be leveled out as well.

And fix PvE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterbenx2

OK. Anybody that has said leave Ursan alone because unwanted classes now get a chance to play. It's a stupid statement with no thought, do not repeat it.

Think, if you can, for one second. WHY would, lets say mesmer, who wants to be in more parties AS A MESMER, want to use Ursan WHICH IS NOT MESMER just to play in areas he/she wants to play AS A MESMER????????

Ursan is a broken, failure, dumb skill that only leads to abuse and more general elitism. "do you have at least rank8 Ursan?" NO! >KICK< oooh yea Ursan is a great idea. I want them to nerf it so bad that when you activate it, yer instakilled. Give the so-called unwanted classes a chance and let them play. You'd probably be surprised. Some of the best PUGs I've ever played with had Mez and Paras. I've even played with some really kiler Sins.. so Ursan DIE!

There are just as many suck noob monks in this game as there are suck noob sins, but people tollerate it because its a monk.. BAH!

That mesmer that gets into parties now by playing a non-mesmer aka an Ursan - won't get into parties if Ursan is trashed.

Please share with me - why should I take a crappy PvE class such as the mesmer into my part when I can have one more paragon/warrior or a necro INSTEAD?

Just as that mesmer player thinks that he has the right to play a mesmer in PvE - I have the right to not take him with me because there are better options!
And the problem is - a lot of people will exercise that right! Just like they did BEFORE Ursan came along.

Rathcail · Jan 17, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Abonai Laguna · Jan 17, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Sorry.
PS will be nerfed imo..

Šiljo · Jan 17, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

update!
nerfbat ftw ot ftl?
we'll see

upier · Jan 17, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Šiljo

update!
nerfbat ftw ot ftl?
we'll see

Just this ...

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Originally Posted by GuildWars.com

Open Travel: Territory and District UI Changes 17 January 2008
As part of our goal of supporting global player interaction, we are making changes to the Territory and District user interface. As of later today, players in Korean language districts can travel between American, European, and Korean districts. Players in Japanese and Taiwanese language districts will be able to travel to the other language districts following a subsequent game update in the coming weeks. The end result is that players in any language district will be able to travel to any other language district within Guild Wars. We will continue to offer International Districts as an additional location for players to meet one another.

... or something else?

Darksun · Jan 17, 2008, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I;d like to see Shouts & Chants help out Pets.. may be too powerful.. but it sucks to have Paragon stuff be totally worthless on pets..

VitisVinifera · Jan 17, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Darksun

I;d like to see Shouts & Chants help out Pets.. may be too powerful.. but it sucks to have Paragon stuff be totally worthless on pets..

Ooh magical........animals could understand what we are saying......

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 17, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

coward 4a
warmongers recharge nerf
divine healing is earshot
ar hasnt been touched

still looking... anyone have a list?

edit: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates

Darksun · Jan 17, 2008, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

Ooh magical........animals could understand what we are saying......

Well, I figured since they understood Call of Protection, Call of Haste, Strike as One, Symbiotic Bond, Otyugh's Cry & Predatory Bond they would understand Paragon, Warrior, etc shouts too..

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Paragon

* Spear of Fury: increased adrenaline gain to 2..6 strikes.
* "We Shall Return!": decreased Energy cost to 5.
* "Fall Back!": decreased Energy cost to 10.

boo.... I don't like these kinds of "use once every 10 minutes" skills.